Are you scrolling Instagram trying to make sense of Intuitive Eating? Do you feel like it “sounds good” but could never work for you? In today’s episode Registered Dietitian Nutritionists Dalina Soto and Melissa Landry interview Rebecca (Melissa’s former client) to share her story of finding food freedom through the No More Guilt Group Coaching program.

By sharing her REAL LIFE experience navigating ups-and-downs, we hope you will feel inspired to let go of fear over what happens when you start intuitive eating, just as Rebecca did.

In today’s episode we ask Rebecca her inside take and advice for anyone who relates to her incredible story:

  • Why did Rebecca want food freedom? did she ever worry it meant “giving up”? 
  • Even though she felt unsure, what helped her choose a food freedom over dieting “one more time”?
  • What was it like setting food freedom goals through a PANDEMIC?!
  • Now that she’s completed the No More Guilt program – where is she now?

Episode Resources:

This episode was sponsored by No More Guilt with Melissa Landry.Reminder that though we are dietitians, but we’re not *YOUR* dietitian. Podcasts don’t constitute treatment. If you have concerns about your dieting behaviors, seek out guidance from a medical or mental health professional. And if you’re looking for the process, support, and focus you need to live life without food guilt apply for a coaching program from today’s sponsor. No More Guilt with Melissa Landry is currently enrolling clients into 1:1 programs, group programs, and, recently added a do-it-yourself learning format: the ex-dieter’s guide to No More Guilt.

what happens when you start intuitive eating? Episode Transcript

Dalina Soto 0:01
Hola, Hola Chulas!

Melissa Landry 0:03
Hi, there, everyone. We have a very special recording today with Rebecca, who is a former no more guilt client. Dana, I’m thrilled to introduce you to Rebecca. She was always a wise and calming presence in our groups. I am so happy to have you here. Rebecca, do you mind introducing yourself and telling us a little bit about you before we jumped in talking about what the food freedom journey really is? Like?

Rebecca 0:27
Yeah, thank you guys so much for having me. It’s really exciting to meet you, Lena as well. I know, Melissa quite well, at this point.

Melissa Landry 0:35
I’m excited.

Rebecca 0:37
So my name my name is Rebecca, I’m 23 years old. I’m originally from Long Island, but I’ve been living in Israel for the past five years or so. I’m an art history student. I’m an artist and musician, marketing consultant, and now and expediter, I’d love to put that on my resume as well. I feel like it needs to, it needs to be mentioned. Like it’s something I’m really proud of. It’s something that I would, you know, I’m happy to list.

Melissa Landry 1:15
You are someone that excites me so much, Rebecca, because I think a lot of folks that I work with, wait a really long time to address food struggles, their relationship to their body, you being someone who is younger, who invested in this journey sooner means you get more years of your life, that you get to reap the benefit. So, you know, I think a lot of times we tell ourselves like, Oh, it’s not that bad or whatever. You know, I’ve always struggled with this. It’s normal. And so I just appreciate that you’re gonna have more time to enjoy what you’ve been learning.

Rebecca 1:47
Yeah, me too.

Melissa Landry 1:49
I know that you do. So you know, today really is about talking about what our food freedom journey really is. Like, I think a lot of our listeners are probably following lots of people on social media, they’re reading the books, and this whole Health at Every Size movement can feel kind of philosophical for a lot of people like, Isn’t that pretty? Wouldn’t that be a nice thing to be able to do? So we want to talk today about what it’s like, really to notice that you’re having these struggles, make the choice to make a change, and then go through it. So our first question for you, is this idea of giving up, I hear this a lot when people are making the choice to join the programs. You know, did it ever feel like that for you that you were giving up by choosing a food freedom

Rebecca 2:33
journey? Yeah, I think that was probably my greatest fear that prevented me or, you know, was my hesitancy before starting for real, and was always kind of the thing, holding me back from giving, you know, going into it all, all the way I had the sense that, you know, food freedom will mean that I’m giving up on my health, or it means I’m giving up on the chance of ever reaching less than ideal. And, you know, in some ways, it is giving up on you know, the thin ideal not unhealth at all, which I learned at later points, I think, especially because, for me, my history with restriction, and dieting was so wrapped up in this concept of, of, it’s for my health. And I was almost embarrassed to even admit it’s for my body. Because if I care about how my body looks, or Oh, that’s so shallow, I don’t want to tell people I’m dieting, or I think also, you know, my history of restriction dieting started a pretty young age, I’m being you know, a teen girl and my friends all had different bodies than me, I didn’t want to admit that I was in a place where I was trying to diet or change my body that my friends weren’t they were eating, you know, quote, unquote, normally, because what even is normal, we all have our own relationships to food. But I think because of that, that, you know, I, I really was very concerned with that health piece of it. And I think that was one of the things that came up in, you know, we did a discovery call before I started norm nordfeldt. And that was one of the first, you know, concerns I brought up was, does this mean? I’m giving up? And I think I’ve ever Melissa saying that? You know, not at all. It’s actually it’s kind of the opposite. I think it wasn’t until I actually kind of did the program and started, like going deeper into everything that I understood how it wasn’t giving up. I think I kind of had to get the information to feel that eventually it took some time. I will say,

Melissa Landry 4:48
yeah. And that’s such an interesting idea, right? That idea it’s giving up prevents you from learning the information you need to understand to realize it’s not giving up and so it does take a bit of a leap of faith to say Okay, like, let me look under this rock and see what’s going on here. Yeah, that really resonates with me because we can really get in our head that there’s only one path. And then that becomes the truth. Yeah. What ultimately made you decide it was worth digging in and learning a bit more?

Rebecca 5:20
Well, I think you will, you mentioned before this idea that, you know, we discover Health at Every Size, or food freedom and remains philosophical. And I was definitely in that space, like, I just happened upon, you know, just the right Instagram account. And then my mind was blown. And I was like, Wait a second, is this is this true, um, my whole perception of health and weight, and food is changing. And then that kind of led me into getting Health at Every Size. And I read the book, and the whole time, I was just like, This is crazy. My mind is blown. How is this possible and was deeply comforted, like, wait, my body is maybe actually already Okay, the way it is, I’d like to believe that I don’t know if I can yet and, but I read a lot of books, I read the ephah diet, I followed a bunch of people on Instagram, but things definitely remained kind of more in the, in the cognitive realm than in the practical realm. And they’re all these things I really wanted to believe, by just felt like how, how is this true? Or how do I synthesize my actual in my actual life? How do I do this? You know, or, let’s say, I believe in Health at Every Size. So now what how do I eat, I don’t know how to eat. Like, I always, I always say, I feel like a baby learning to eat for the first time in so many ways. Because I that’s true, like, I’m totally rediscovering how I like to eat and what I like to eat, and when I like to eat, and, you know. So I think that that kind of getting feeling like I had this information. Now what do I do with it made me feel like it was very necessary to go on this journey, not just in a information gathering way, but in a, what are the skills that I need to do this? away?

Melissa Landry 7:18
Yeah. And you did a nice job breaking it into the two parts, which is like applying it to your plate. So this I have a baby? How do I feed myself feeling needs to be resolved? And how do I apply it into my attitudes toward myself in a practical way. And I think a lot of times in the program, we talk about how, you know, affirmations, and positive psychology and all of these things we learn about like self esteem and building ourselves up are fabulous, wonderful. But if they’re not linked to the specific body worries you have, if you haven’t taken that message and really connected it to your concerns, values and desires, it doesn’t stick and you don’t get the reward. So I think you did such a beautiful job with that. And the program really kicking the tires. And you definitely challenged me during sessions from time to time trying to get good answers, especially around the health questions. Yeah, that’s

Dalina Soto 8:08
the best feeling though, like when people challenge us, and we’re like, but we know what to say.

Melissa Landry 8:13
Like, we got to, we’ve got to,

Dalina Soto 8:17
and it’s again, it’s that fear of the unknown. It’s like, I think it’s also that people want to know every answer. And sometimes when we respond with, we might not know the answer, and you have to kind of like dig deep into yourself. It’s really scary. Because we don’t want to be connected to our bodies. We don’t want to be connected to ourselves. We want other people to tell us what to do, how to do it, when to do it. Right. Like that’s kind of how like, we’ve grown up as a society, especially diet culture, because it tells us that will tell you what to do you do it if you do it right. It’ll work.

Yeah, you win the prize. If you don’t, it’s your fault, right? So when you come and work with us, and we’re like, No, no, no, that’s not how it works here, you’re gonna have to like dig deep, and figure out what is going to work for you. We’re not here to tell you what to do. We’re just here to educate and kind of help you find your way in

Melissa Landry 9:12
your body. And that’s all

Rebecca 9:15
it takes. That’s the part I think that takes bravery. And like you said, it is scary, especially when you have given yourself so over to, to the rules of whatever diet or restriction your following and gives you a sense of comfort because even if I don’t feel good, even if I don’t feel good about myself, every part of me is telling me like this isn’t right for me. But I’m following it. So I’m doing the right thing. I think also, if you lean toward an amount of perfectionism, which a lot of people, a lot of women and I think a lot of people who experienced dieting do then I mean it can be Like a drug can be absolutely dangerously addictive, because everything is so clear to the right or wrong, I’m doing the right I’m doing it wrong, I’m either gaining or I’m losing. And either I’m, you know, I’m thin or I’m fat. And there’s kind of this, there’s no nuance there’s no in between. There’s no intuition, there’s no gentleness there. And it can be, it can be scary to, to admit that I have to actually try something new. And maybe it also won’t be the right thing. And I try something else. And those are skills that, you know, I say, baby, because children do that. So naturally, and intuitively, they just try new things. And, and it’s okay. And I think as adults, we kind of, you know, we lose that a little bit we get, we get very scared, and we look for rules, we look for diet structure. And and, you know, that’s, that’s a huge part of the food freedom journey.

Melissa Landry 10:56
Hmm, it’s so true. And this idea that I’m dieting, like the lows are lows, but the highs can be high. I think that’s something that probably is worth addressing. Like, when you are feeling in stride of your diet cycle, there are rewarding feelings. Yeah. And a thrill that can come from that. And that’s part of the process is being able to create space when you feel discomfort, not using dieting, to create those thrills and rewards that exactly, because what goes up must come down. And that is that is a no one. No one experience at this point. Right? If you’ve seen that, you know, how many times in your life where you Rebecca had been since your teens? You know, you got to a point even so young or had been enough, it had been enough of that roller coaster?

Rebecca 11:37
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It’s, it’s a exhausting ride. And I think if you don’t even know that, there’s another way. You know, that’s kind of I think, I thought for so long that this is are kind of because things that were taught to me at a young age about, you know, this is your genetics are to be in this type of a body. And so you’re destined to have to eat a certain way to combat that. Because being in a body that is bigger is so obviously, unhealthy. So you end, you know, imperfect, and, you know, insert all these other, just completely untrue. Things that you kind of have to diet. And I think I you know, seeing from other people who are role models, to me, from a young age, doing similar things, it was kind of like, if I’m going to be in this body, that’s just my feet, to have to try to change it for the rest of my life. I’m not lucky, like other people to have the type of metabolism that lets me eat whatever I want. Like, which also isn’t even true, there’s just these are just completely misconstrued. You know, things that were taught about different body types get to eat different things, or it’s almost like I felt this was predestined for me from such a young age. You know, it’s just, it’s just a relief to know that, that’s just not the case. I think one of the things that was my first, like, you know, the first crack in the diet culture, for me, I was like, maybe this isn’t possible is the fact that I am in a bigger body, and I’m married to someone who is not. And for about three years, we’re eating almost the exact same things. Because we’re eating all the same food at home and seeing the way that that either affected my body or affected his body or didn’t affect my values. And the fact you know, being like, wait, maybe it doesn’t make as much a difference as I thought it made. Maybe, you know, this, like, maybe we’re just peep different buyers are just different. We just need different types of food. I mean, that’s just something that we know intuitively seeing him eat intuitively, was kind of like, how do you do that? Like, I was always trying to teach him to diet and like, don’t you know, that you should be eating this way is like, I don’t like that. Or that’s not enough food. I’m just like, No, no, I know better. You know, me, not the nutritionist, dietitian, intuitive eater. Just from what I’ve been taught for so long.

Melissa Landry 14:15
But here’s the thing, Rebecca from the diet culture paradigm, you probably you were an expert. And I think that’s where a lot of times people get frustration, even getting a recommendation to go to a dietitian for weight loss. Because it’s like, if this is true, if this paradigm is real, I assure you, whatever this lady is going to tell me tell her, I could tell it to her and I had a client once who came to me after going to a dietitian for weight loss kind of one last time to try and she was like I left and I cried in my car because I was so pissed off. I couldn’t believe I had just sat again, in a meeting listening to someone showing me portion sizes on my comm and, you know, showing me how to like it was like, I cannot believe I’m sitting in this exact same conversation again.

Rebecca 14:58

Melissa Landry 14:59
So One thing you brought up was the concerns about health. I’m just curious now having gone through a bit of the journey, I know there’s things you still work on, there’s still things that you’re unpacking, as in your work. But what are some takeaways around that health? What about health concern that you had for, you know, other people listening who really do feel concerned about their health?

Rebecca 15:19
Yeah, I think what was complicated for me was, I, you know, coming from the types of restriction I had been doing before, they felt so backed up by science, or I thought they were or maybe, in some ways, certain things, there’s like pieces of truth in those studies. And I’m actually not coming from a, you know, medical or scientific background, I not someone who actually can read a study and know what I’m reading, but I’m trusting the people talking about it to know what they’re talking about. And it sounded so convincing, that I kind of just felt like, Oh, it’s so obviously healthy. And this is obviously the ideal diet, you know, for health. And I think, so actually, one of the things that was really helpful for me, was using research to combat that, and reading books like Health at Every Size, and, you know, working with someone who does have the training in, you know, like, there was a, I remember, there was a point in one of our, one of the things that took place in there no more guilt groups were, Melissa, you broke down a study, and that was saying why weight loss was healthy, and you kind of took it apart, and you’re like, Well, you know, their sample size, this is the situation and look at their hypothesis. And I was like, whoo, wait, hold on a second. So there, it’s not just because it’s a study, and just because it’s pure science doesn’t mean that it’s true. And I think that, that, that was one of the things that really helped me start to shift from like, I felt like I had the facts to be like, okay, maybe what I thought about health wasn’t true in the first place. And I can start to shift that a little bit. And then the next piece was realizing, wait, what even is health? Like, what, how am I even defining this for myself, and because honestly, I was defining it, health is, was having a certain body type, and that has nothing to do with health. And if health means the way I feel, and the type of life I want to live, and even just realizing like, I was doing everything I could to control my health, with my food, okay, but what about, like, my sleep? What about my mental health, and what about, you know, my friends, my family, and the relationships I have, and all these other aspects of health, and then the whole trunk of the pie that you can’t even control, you know, like, my genetics and my, you know, what kind of like, socio economic situation and background in society and my coming from. These are all things that kind of, in some ways that can feel upsetting to be like, wait, part of this is predestined for me. And in another way, I felt a relief, like, Oh, so it’s not my fault. You know, I am the way I am. And that’s kind of okay. And here’s the behaviors, I actually can change. And I actually have like a list that I like, physically have written down for myself, to remind myself when I’m feeling you know, that kind of like feelings or body grief for Am I really doing the right thing for my health, health of the things that I actually can change, I’m like, you can do gentle nutrition, you can move, you can call your therapist, you can drink more water, you can brush your teeth, you can just these kinds of, you know, you can take a nap, you can sleep more and kind of just quantifying This is what I actually can do this, what’s actually my control everything else, whatever the outcomes are after that. That’s it that that is that’s just that’s how I was meant to be. And I just seem to, you know, let go of that and let it be

Melissa Landry 19:13
so beautiful. It’s true before and it’s true now, right? There are certain things we can control. And there’s certain things that we can’t. And that is an uncomfortable reality. I think most of us through life are constantly working with that truth and coping with that truth as human beings. So that’s where the bravery comes in. And where your definition for authentic health. We know we spent a whole week on that, I really pressed you guys to reflect on all the domains of health to look at some of the social determinant things and I’m just glad to hear you could pin these behaviors back to that definition because it might be different for someone else, you know, another client might look at that exercise and say, You know what, sleep isn’t all that important to me or I’m not going to prioritize that right now. So it’s a It’s really driven by by the individual on what they care about. Amazing. So one last question we have for you here is about your journey doing this through a pandemic. I have clients who sometimes in the middle go, I cannot believe I’m doing this right now, when my life is not what nothing like it used to be. I have clients who say, I’m so glad I’m doing this right now, because everything feels triggering and hard. And I’m so glad to have a space to work through it. You know, what was your take learning this through pandemic? Do you have any thoughts on it?

Rebecca 20:35
Initially, I was feeling like, you know what, this is not the right time. It’s one of the many 20 somethings who was living with their parents at the time. And it just felt like there’s so much going on. Why in the world would do I want to open this box right now. Like, I know, it’s important, I want to do it, there’s no way now’s the time. And my partner actually said to me, like, What do you mean, now is the perfect time for you? because things are so crazy. And they’re so hard? And don’t you want this support system? And don’t you want this network? I think for me personally, that happened to be true. I think you need to, you know, think about yourself and think about how much capacity do I have? Because I think I didn’t really anticipate how much capacity this needed or how much I wanted to give into it once I had started it because I was like, wait, this is awesome. I want to give this my 100 I only have 10 out of 100. That’s kind of what what I realized. But you know, the fact knowing that I could always come back to it and knowing that this is they a literally lifetime journey kind of took a little bit of that, of that pressure off. And I think in so many ways, the pandemic has brought out some of our worst behaviors, it’s definitely required us to bring out all the coping mechanisms. And without putting judgment on what those coping mechanisms are. Some of them don’t feel great. And I think that was really true for me was I was finding myself leaning toward restriction again, and leaning toward, like, We’re going crazy at home, why don’t I just start doing this crazy diet, or I’m feeling super stressed and anxious. And I just don’t want to eat anything. also kind of feeling like that. I know, that’s not right, either. I need some structure here. And I think that choosing to do this, you know, actually start the course. And a new more guild during this time, for me was really perfect. And I’m so so grateful that I took the leap when I did. And I will say that I think a lot of people I know concern that has come up for some other people in our group was just what’s gonna happen when normal life resumes, like, I’m going to do all this work, I’m in my own house with like, just me and the people living there. I’m just alone. And okay, that’s one thing. But what happens when I’m back in the workplace, or what happens when I have to go to Thanksgiving dinner with my family again, and, and I, I think I have had the chance to experience that a little bit because I was in my parents house and then came back to Israel. And we are kind of, like, have our own little pod here with my husband’s family. And that gave me the opportunity to experience. Okay, I learned all these skills before when I was back in New York and with my family, and now I’m in Israel with them. And I was afraid of how it would translate. And I was incredibly pleasantly surprised by myself kind of realizing that these skills did take root. And I’m not feeling you know, my worst fears didn’t come true. And I’m not automatically triggered into dieting because of someone made a silly comment or, you know, I’m eating what I want and how much my body wants to know, regardless of who else is at that meal. And I think that what makes that happen or you know, the thing that the magic behind that is the skills it’s like the actual I’m in the situation, what are the skills my toolkit, you know, what can I actually pull out right now in this moment. And in a way it feels like kind of this like quarantine pandemic lockdown at home period can really be a playground for those things like you can play and figure it out in your own space in your own time in your own kitchen and write your own dining room table and then you know show up when we can go out in the world again and i don’t i don’t think they’re going to disappear there and also because I think your body and your you know your mind your psychology. knows how much better This feels than the alternatives. I think we, you know, we might make mistakes, you might learn new things, but I think I will always be inclined to know what feels better now. Or at least that’s, that’s my that’s my impression. That’s my hope that I’m feeling right now.

Dalina Soto 25:20
Yes. And I think that what you’re saying is so important, because people fear that this might be just another quote unquote, diet, right? Like, people are also afraid, because they see this,

Rebecca 25:31
they’ve been burned, they’ve been burned before. Yeah, thank

Dalina Soto 25:33
you for like that for me. And also, because it is full of a lot of non like, posts, or missing nuance, right? When you work with us, you get those nuances you get how to apply this to you to your everyday life. And so, when you finally realize like, holy crap, like, I have all these tools in my toolkit, but I also want, you know, and I hope that you you feel this way, too, right, Rebecca, I was gonna tell you, Rachel, holy crap, Rebecca, um, that like, I would hope that you have comfort that if, you know, you fall into some sort of like the it trap, that you have self compassion for yourself as well, to know that this is a journey to know that, you know, this is something that it’s going to be ever changing, you’re going to be creating new tools as you move forward in your life. Because you have now those skill sets. And, and not to be so like, rough on yourself when shit hits the ceiling.

Rebecca 26:30
Yeah, yeah.

Melissa Landry 26:32
love it. I love it. I love it. And I think that for you, the the surprise in this is that like, oh, the tools were there. And I knew which ones to pick up at the right time. And that’s where I think the programs can sort of simulate that a little bit, even if the quarantine isn’t fully exposing you. In a way, it’s kind of a gift. Because if you’re constantly being triggered while you learn, right, it’s like if somebody said, like sprint from here to the end of a basketball court, but there’s gonna be a bunch of obstacles along the way, you know, it’s gonna be hard, it’s gonna be hard to do that. But if you remove all the obstacles, you get to know what that feels like you can really train. So I think that that is probably a benefit of this moment. And one other thing I just noticed when you’re speaking was this desire, you had to do it 100% like, once you got in, you’re like, this is awesome. I love how it feels you wanted to like almost Excel it intuitive eating and take it all in now. And I think part of that comes from the relief it gives you and you want the outcome, of course, but part of it is like the the perfectionism to that can kind of intersect as people learn this. And then you mentioned that like, sometimes you’re only able to go at 10% capacity. And I think that’s worth noting here that like maybe it didn’t even feel like you could go all in 100%. But it didn’t matter, like 10% is often enough, if you can engage in these skills a little bit, you get traction, and that makes you feel good. And that goes forward. So to anyone listening who’s like, I can’t start until the conditions are right. They’re never right, start and get that benefit. It’s certainly almost always pays off.

Rebecca 28:13
Yeah, I think what you mentioned about perfectionism, really, we speak a lot about the black and white of the diet culture and the, you know, the on and off and foods are good, or they’re bad, or, you know, I think I think that intuitive eating can pose a particular challenge for anyone who’s challenged by nuance. And that’s, that’s worth noting as well that, you know, if you’re going to try this out, it you’re not going to know the answer necessarily. And it might, you know, take some time to take root and to figure out and, you know, making making mistakes and not knowing the answer is a very uncomfortable but brave and important place to be. And it also takes time. And I think you know, I can say now having I it’s been about four or five months since I started new markets and I’d say like, it was another year or so before that, since I first heard about Health at Every Size in the first place. And from where I was about a year and a half ago or a year or so to now like it’s it’s incredible for me for what I was looking at what I was eating what I was interested in doing with into my body. But it changes from month to month. So a year ago I was unfollowing accounts on Instagram that I was like you know what? I don’t want to follow food bloggers to IT people anymore. And now, like almost a year and a half later I’m like, Huh joyful movement sounds interesting. Now And, you know, I think I think that’s important to note that that’s only like, a year and change. And, and this is something we’ve spoken before but the How many years have you dieted for how many years lie ahead of me of, you know, food freedom. And if you’ve been dieting, five years, or 10, or 20, it’s also crazy to think that it might take some time for your body and your brain and your heart to become realigned and re, you know, retrained in this new in this new construct, so I appreciate that for myself. And if I were to give advice to anyone who’s kind of on the fence about that, or just starting, it’s that, oh, it, it may take us some time. And that’s, and that’s okay. Also, that’s a part of it. Yeah.

Melissa Landry 30:54
So the best advice you could give is just patience to be open and curious to this new way, especially if you’re certain the old way, isn’t working. And that’s something that I think, Dwayne, and I just feel so excited by in our work. Like, we know a lot of you out there know you’re done with dieting, how Rebecca was feeling. unfollowing, but you don’t know your next step. And we know how uncomfortable that can feel. And so that’s amazing advice to say, it doesn’t have to happen immediately or tomorrow. You just got to get started in them. Yeah,

Rebecca 31:23
don’t stay

Melissa Landry 31:24
stuck. Rebecca, you are such a graceful, kind, open person. You were always someone in our group that others could lean on deleted, do you get why they call her the wise one in our group? Yeah, no, I get it. Surely she has this ability to, once you see something she’s interested in, just pull that thread and be curious until See, she finds what it means to her. So Rebecca, I just can’t thank you enough for taking the time to share your journey. I hope that it helps some of the listeners out there who’ve been grappling with what this journey means you’re such a role model to others.

Rebecca 32:00
Thank you. And I hope so too. I really, I I hope that you know, if this could speak to someone who is either on the fence or just starting out, or in that place between I know diets don’t work, but what the heck. I knew what that space feels like. And, you know, if I could in any way speak to that person and speak to who I was a year ago, six months ago, that would, you know, be wonderful and I think we you guys you know, you change the world one one client one person at a time and to view you know, little part of that just spread spread the good word. means a lot. Oh, for

Melissa Landry 32:46
crying out. We have a feel your feelings episode that will air just before yours. So if you haven’t heard that one yet, go back on feeling. Back that thank you again, I will see you around. And I just, I’m just so thrilled for you what you’ve been able to build for yourself. Congratulations. Thank you.

Rebecca 33:06
Thank you both.

Melissa Landry 33:07
Thank you, Rebecca. Bye, everybody. Bye.